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NFL · Week 5 · October 8, 2023 · 12 min read

Carolina Panthers vs. Detroit Lions: 2023 Week 5 Recap

Lions defeat Panthers 42–24 in Week 5

Adam Thielen led Fantasy Impact as Lions prevailed in a 24–42 Week 5 finish.

Carolina Panthers 24 0–5
Final 24–42
Detroit Lions 42 4–1 Winner
Winner
Detroit Lions
Final score
24–42
Halftime
Carolina Panthers 10–28 Detroit Lions
Top passer
Byron Young
FantasyHQ MVP
Adam Thielen
Game date
October 8, 2023

Top fantasy performers · Panthers

  • Adam Thielen
    Adam Thielen 11 REC · 107 YDS · 1 TD +10.9 Fantasy Impact
  • Byron Young
    Byron Young 25/48 · 247 YDS · 3 TD +3.9 Fantasy Impact
  • DJ Chark
    DJ Chark 3 REC · 42 YDS · 1 TD +3.4 Fantasy Impact

Top fantasy performers · Lions

  • Sam LaPorta
    Sam LaPorta 3 REC · 47 YDS · 2 TD +6.0 Fantasy Impact
  • Jared Goff
    Jared Goff 20/30 · 218 YDS · 3 TD +5.8 Fantasy Impact
  • Josh Reynolds
    Josh Reynolds 4 REC · 76 YDS · 1 TD +5.5 Fantasy Impact

Quick answer

Winner
Detroit Lions
Final score
Detroit Lions 42–24 Carolina Panthers
Halftime
Carolina Panthers 10–28 Detroit Lions at halftime
FantasyHQ MVP
Adam Thielen
Top passer
Byron Young
Biggest EPA play
(7:37) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle intended for 80-I.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 97-A.…
Game date
2023-10-08

Game summary

The Detroit Lions beat the Carolina Panthers 42–24 on 2023-10-08. Adam Thielen posted a game-high +10.88 total EPA in the receiving.

The highest-scoring period was Q4 with 28 combined points.

Line score

Final score and points by quarter.

Q1Q2Q4T
Carolina Panthers010140024
Detroit Lions1414140042

Scoring Map

Each pin marks where a score occurred on the field — yard line from play-by-play.

CARCarolina Panthers
DETDetroit Lions

FantasyHQ Analytics

Scoring timeline

19 scores

Chronological scoring plays — scroll to follow the game.

  1. DETDetroit Lions
    Q1 9:50TD
    D.J. Montgomery

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 42
    Score
    0-6

    (9:50) 5-D.Montgomery up the middle for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

  2. DETDetroit Lions
    Q1 9:41XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    0-7

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  3. DETDetroit Lions
    Q1 4:59TD
    Sam LaPorta

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 4
    Score
    0-13

    (4:59) 16-J.Goff pass short left to 87-S.LaPorta for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

  4. DETDetroit Lions
    Q1 4:53XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    0-14

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  5. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q2 12:52TD
    Tommy Tremble

    Points+6

    Yard line
    DET 1
    Score
    6-14

    (12:52) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle to 82-T.Tremble for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

  6. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q2 12:48XP
    Eddy Pineiro

    Points+1

    Yard line
    DET 15
    Score
    7-14

    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.

  7. DETDetroit Lions
    Q2 3:55TD
    Josh Reynolds

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 1
    Score
    7-20

    (3:55) 16-J.Goff pass short middle to 8-J.Reynolds for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

  8. DETDetroit Lions
    Q2 3:50XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    7-21

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  9. DETDetroit Lions
    Q2 3:29TD
    Sam LaPorta

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 31
    Score
    7-27

    (3:29) 16-J.Goff pass short right to 87-S.LaPorta for 31 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

  10. DETDetroit Lions
    Q2 3:21XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    7-28

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  11. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q2 0:10FG
    Eddy Pineiro

    Points+3

    Yard line
    DET 15
    Score
    10-28

    (:10) 4-E.Pineiro 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.

  12. DETDetroit Lions
    Q4 15:00TD
    Jared Goff

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 1
    Score
    10-34

    (15:00) 16-J.Goff up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

  13. DETDetroit Lions
    Q4 14:58XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    10-35

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  14. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q4 11:57TD
    DJ Chark

    Points+6

    Yard line
    DET 18
    Score
    16-35

    (11:57) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass deep middle to 17-D.Chark for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

  15. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q4 11:52XP
    Eddy Pineiro

    Points+1

    Yard line
    DET 15
    Score
    17-35

    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.

  16. DETDetroit Lions
    Q4 7:32TD
    Craig Reynolds

    Points+6

    Yard line
    CAR 5
    Score
    17-41

    (7:32) 13-C.Reynolds left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

  17. DETDetroit Lions
    Q4 7:27XP
    Riley Patterson

    Points+1

    Yard line
    CAR 15
    Score
    17-42

    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.

  18. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q4 2:00TD
    Adam Thielen

    Points+6

    Yard line
    DET 1
    Score
    23-42

    (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short left to 19-A.Thielen for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

  19. CARCarolina Panthers
    Q4 1:55XP
    Eddy Pineiro

    Points+1

    Yard line
    DET 15
    Score
    24-42

    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.

Stars of the game

Top performers by total expected points added (EPA).

  1. 1Adam ThielenAdam Thielen · Carolina Panthers · Receiving · +10.88 total EPA · 13 snaps · +0.84 EPA/play
  2. 2Sam LaPortaSam LaPorta · Detroit Lions · Receiving · +5.96 total EPA · 4 snaps · +1.49 EPA/play
  3. 3Jared GoffJared Goff · Detroit Lions · Passing · +5.77 total EPA · 30 snaps · +0.19 EPA/play
  4. 4Josh ReynoldsJosh Reynolds · Detroit Lions · Receiving · +5.48 total EPA · 5 snaps · +1.10 EPA/play
  5. 5D.J. MontgomeryD.J. Montgomery · Detroit Lions · Rushing · +4.60 total EPA · 19 snaps · +0.24 EPA/play
  6. 6Byron YoungByron Young · Carolina Panthers · Passing · +3.85 total EPA · 48 snaps · +0.08 EPA/play
  7. 7Kalif RaymondKalif Raymond · Detroit Lions · Receiving · +3.45 total EPA · 3 snaps · +1.15 EPA/play
  8. 8DJ CharkDJ Chark · Carolina Panthers · Receiving · +3.43 total EPA · 6 snaps · +0.57 EPA/play

FantasyHQ Game MVP

Highest total EPA with the player's top snap and the game's biggest single play when different.

Adam Thielen

FantasyHQ Game MVP

Adam Thielen — CAR · Receiving

Adam Thielen posted the highest total EPA (+10.88) in the game, the strongest overall impact for Carolina Panthers. Across 13 counted snaps, they averaged +0.84 EPA per play.

Adam Thielen's top snap (+2.45 EPA): (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short left to 19-A.Thielen for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Biggest single play (-6.18 EPA): Byron Young — (7:37) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle intended for 80-I.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 97-A.Hutchinson at CAR 26. 97-A.Hutchinson to CAR 20 for 6 yards (15-J.Mingo).

Quarterback report card

Byron Young led all passers in efficiency for Carolina Panthers, setting the tone in the passing game according to FantasyHQ analytics.

  • Byron YoungByron Young (Carolina Panthers) · 48 dropbacks · 52.1% completion · +2.2% CPOE · +0.08 EPA/play · +3.85 total EPA
  • Jared GoffJared Goff (Detroit Lions) · 30 dropbacks · 66.7% completion · +3.1% CPOE · +0.19 EPA/play · +5.77 total EPA

Team stats comparison

Side-by-side offensive and defensive efficiency.

StatCarolina PanthersDetroit Lions
Offensive EPA/play-0.061+0.203
Offensive success rate45.6%52.6%
Pass EPA/play+0.080+0.192
Rush EPA/play-0.264+0.320
Defensive EPA/play-0.203+0.061
Defensive success rate47.4%54.4%

Drive & efficiency notes

Detroit Lions held the efficiency edge in offensive EPA per play (+0.20 vs -0.06), even if the scoreboard told a different story.

Season benchmark context (offensive EPA per play):

  • Carolina Panthers: -0.06 EPA/play (42nd percentile vs. 2023 team-game averages)
  • Detroit Lions: +0.20 EPA/play (94th percentile vs. 2023 team-game averages)
  • Carolina Panthers: 10 drives, -5.45 total EPA, 4 scoring drives
  • Detroit Lions: 11 drives, +15.43 total EPA, 6 scoring drives
Who scored touchdowns and field goals

Every touchdown and field goal from official play-by-play.

Touchdowns

  • D.J. MontgomeryDetroit Lions — D.J. Montgomery (Q1 9:50)
  • Sam LaPortaDetroit Lions — Sam LaPorta (Jared Goff pass) (Q1 4:59)
  • Tommy TrembleCarolina Panthers — Tommy Tremble (Byron Young pass) (Q2 12:52)
  • Josh ReynoldsDetroit Lions — Josh Reynolds (Jared Goff pass) (Q2 3:55)
  • Sam LaPortaDetroit Lions — Sam LaPorta (Jared Goff pass) (Q2 3:29)
  • Jared GoffDetroit Lions — Jared Goff (Q4 15:00)
  • DJ CharkCarolina Panthers — DJ Chark (Byron Young pass) (Q4 11:57)
  • Craig ReynoldsDetroit Lions — Craig Reynolds (Q4 7:32)
  • Adam ThielenCarolina Panthers — Adam Thielen (Byron Young pass) (Q4 2:00)

Field goals

  • Eddy PineiroCarolina Panthers — Eddy Pineiro (Q2 0:10)
Quarter by quarter

Quarter-by-quarter recap from live scoring plays.

The opening quarter: Detroit Lions won the period 14–0. Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 42 (Q1 9:50) — (9:50) 5-D.Montgomery up the middle for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q1 9:41) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.; Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 4 (Q1 4:59) — (4:59) 16-J.Goff pass short left to 87-S.LaPorta for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q1 4:53) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox..

The second quarter: Detroit Lions won the period 14–10. Carolina Panthers found the end zone from the DET 1 (Q2 12:52) — (12:52) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle to 82-T.Tremble for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.; Carolina Panthers added 1 points from the DET 15 (Q2 12:48) — 4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.; Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 1 (Q2 3:55) — (3:55) 16-J.Goff pass short middle to 8-J.Reynolds for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q2 3:50) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.; Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 31 (Q2 3:29) — (3:29) 16-J.Goff pass short right to 87-S.LaPorta for 31 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q2 3:21) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.; Carolina Panthers connected on a field goal from the DET 15 (Q2 0:10) — (:10) 4-E.Pineiro 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker..

The fourth quarter: The quarter finished even at 14–14. Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 1 (Q4 15:00) — (15:00) 16-J.Goff up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q4 14:58) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.; Carolina Panthers found the end zone from the DET 18 (Q4 11:57) — (11:57) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass deep middle to 17-D.Chark for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Carolina Panthers added 1 points from the DET 15 (Q4 11:52) — 4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.; Detroit Lions found the end zone from the CAR 5 (Q4 7:32) — (7:32) 13-C.Reynolds left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Detroit Lions added 1 points from the CAR 15 (Q4 7:27) — 36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.; Carolina Panthers found the end zone from the DET 1 (Q4 2:00) — (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short left to 19-A.Thielen for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.; Carolina Panthers added 1 points from the DET 15 (Q4 1:55) — 4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker..

Turning points

Plays that moved win probability the most.

  • Detroit Lions (Q1 9:50) — (9:50) 5-D.Montgomery up the middle for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN. [WPA +10.4% · EPA +3.53]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q2 10:07) — (10:07) 6-M.Sanders left end to CAR 38 for 1 yard (54-A.McNeill). FUMBLES (54-A.McNeill), RECOVERED by DET-25-W.Harris at CAR 41. 25-W.Harris pushed ob at CAR 38 for 3 yards (82-T.Tremble). [WPA -9.7% · EPA -5.65]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q1 7:37) — (7:37) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle intended for 80-I.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 97-A.Hutchinson at CAR 26. 97-A.Hutchinson to CAR 20 for 6 yards (15-J.Mingo). [WPA -8.6% · EPA -6.18]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q1 13:10) — (13:10) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass deep right to 17-D.Chark to DET 45 for 18 yards (34-A.Anzalone). Detroit challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands [WPA +8.3% · EPA +2.79]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q1 11:16) — (11:16) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass incomplete short left [25-W.Harris]. Ball thrown away [WPA -5.6% · EPA -2.13]
Impact plays

Highest EPA snaps that flipped field position.

  • Carolina Panthers (Q1 7:37) — (7:37) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle intended for 80-I.Thomas INTERCEPTED by 97-A.Hutchinson at CAR 26. 97-A.Hutchinson to CAR 20 for 6 yards (15-J.Mingo). [WPA -8.6% · EPA -6.18]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q2 10:07) — (10:07) 6-M.Sanders left end to CAR 38 for 1 yard (54-A.McNeill). FUMBLES (54-A.McNeill), RECOVERED by DET-25-W.Harris at CAR 41. 25-W.Harris pushed ob at CAR 38 for 3 yards (82-T.Tremble). [WPA -9.7% · EPA -5.65]
  • Carolina Panthers (Q2 3:43) — (3:43) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass deep left intended for 15-J.Mingo INTERCEPTED by 23-J.Jacobs at CAR 42. 23-J.Jacobs to CAR 31 for 11 yards (68-C.Mays). [WPA -4.7% · EPA -4.61]
  • Detroit Lions (Q1 9:50) — (9:50) 5-D.Montgomery up the middle for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN. [WPA +10.4% · EPA +3.53]
Every scoring play

Chronological scoring with play-by-play context.

  1. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q1 9:50 · CAR 42 · Score 0-6
    (9:50) 5-D.Montgomery up the middle for 42 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  2. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q1 9:41 · CAR 15 · Score 0-7
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  3. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q1 4:59 · CAR 4 · Score 0-13
    (4:59) 16-J.Goff pass short left to 87-S.LaPorta for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  4. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q1 4:53 · CAR 15 · Score 0-14
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  5. Carolina Panthers TD (+6) — Q2 12:52 · DET 1 · Score 6-14
    (12:52) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short middle to 82-T.Tremble for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
  6. Carolina Panthers XP (+1) — Q2 12:48 · DET 15 · Score 7-14
    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.
  7. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q2 3:55 · CAR 1 · Score 7-20
    (3:55) 16-J.Goff pass short middle to 8-J.Reynolds for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
  8. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q2 3:50 · CAR 15 · Score 7-21
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  9. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q2 3:29 · CAR 31 · Score 7-27
    (3:29) 16-J.Goff pass short right to 87-S.LaPorta for 31 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  10. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q2 3:21 · CAR 15 · Score 7-28
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  11. Carolina Panthers FG (+3) — Q2 0:10 · DET 15 · Score 10-28
    (:10) 4-E.Pineiro 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.
  12. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q4 15:00 · CAR 1 · Score 10-34
    (15:00) 16-J.Goff up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
  13. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q4 14:58 · CAR 15 · Score 10-35
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  14. Carolina Panthers TD (+6) — Q4 11:57 · DET 18 · Score 16-35
    (11:57) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass deep middle to 17-D.Chark for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  15. Carolina Panthers XP (+1) — Q4 11:52 · DET 15 · Score 17-35
    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.
  16. Detroit Lions TD (+6) — Q4 7:32 · CAR 5 · Score 17-41
    (7:32) 13-C.Reynolds left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  17. Detroit Lions XP (+1) — Q4 7:27 · CAR 15 · Score 17-42
    36-R.Patterson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-S.Daly, Holder-3-J.Fox.
  18. Carolina Panthers TD (+6) — Q4 2:00 · DET 1 · Score 23-42
    (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short left to 19-A.Thielen for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
  19. Carolina Panthers XP (+1) — Q4 1:55 · DET 15 · Score 24-42
    4-E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-44-J.Jansen, Holder-10-J.Hekker.

Key takeaways

What to remember for fantasy research and follow-up box score digging.

  • Detroit Lions earned the result — use the box score for snap-level context.
  • Adam Thielen (Carolina Panthers) led total EPA — start here for highlight and prop research.
  • Jared Goff (DET) finished above expected through the air (positive CPOE).

Frequently asked questions

Who won Carolina Panthers vs Detroit Lions on 2023-10-08?

The Detroit Lions beat the Carolina Panthers 42-24 in Week 5, 2023.

What was the score by quarter in Carolina Panthers vs Detroit Lions?

Q1: Carolina Panthers 0, Detroit Lions 14; Q2: Carolina Panthers 10, Detroit Lions 14; Q4: Carolina Panthers 14, Detroit Lions 14; Final: Carolina Panthers 24, Detroit Lions 42.

Who scored touchdowns and field goals in Carolina Panthers vs Detroit Lions?

Detroit Lions touchdown — D. Montgomery (Q1 9:50) Detroit Lions touchdown — S. LaPorta (J. Goff pass) (Q1 4:59) Carolina Panthers touchdown — T. Tremble (B. Young pass) (Q2 12:52) Detroit Lions touchdown — J. Reynolds (J. Goff pass) (Q2 3:55) Detroit Lions touchdown — S. LaPorta (J. Goff pass) (Q2 3:29) Detroit Lions touchdown — J. Goff (Q4 15:00) Carolina Panthers touchdown — D. Chark (B. Young pass) (Q4 11:57) Detroit Lions touchdown — C. Reynolds (Q4 7:32) Carolina Panthers touchdown — A. Thielen (B. Young pass) (Q4 2:00) Carolina Panthers field goal — E. Pineiro (Q2 0:10, 3 pts) Extra points followed each touchdown unless noted in the play-by-play.

How did the quarterbacks play in Carolina Panthers vs Detroit Lions?

Byron Young (Carolina Panthers), 52.1% completion, +2.2% CPOE, +0.08 EPA per dropback, +3.85 total passing EPA. Jared Goff (Detroit Lions), 66.7% completion, +3.1% CPOE, +0.19 EPA per dropback, +5.77 total passing EPA.

Who was FantasyHQ's player of the game in Carolina Panthers vs Detroit Lions?

Adam Thielen (Carolina Panthers) was FantasyHQ's Game MVP with +10.88 total EPA on Receiving plays. across 13 snaps. Their top snap (+2.45 EPA): (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Young pass short left to 19-A.Thielen for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN..

Season records after this game

Carolina Panthers

Entered 0-4 Now 0-5 L

Detroit Lions

Entered 3-1 Now 4-1 W