Quick answer
- Winner
- New England Patriots
- Final score
- New England Patriots 36–20 Las Vegas Raiders
- Halftime
- Las Vegas Raiders 10–13 New England Patriots at halftime
- FantasyHQ MVP
- R. Burkhead
- Top passer
- Derek Carr
- Biggest EPA play
- (5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calh…
- Game date
- 2020-09-27
Game summary
The New England Patriots beat the Las Vegas Raiders 36–20 on 2020-09-27. R. Burkhead posted a game-high +6.76 total EPA in the rushing.
The highest-scoring period was Q4 with 23 combined points.
Line score
Final score and points by quarter.
| Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | — | T | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
 Las Vegas Raiders | 3 | 7 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 20 |
 New England Patriots | 0 | 13 | 10 | 13 | 0 | 36 |
Scoring Map
Each pin marks where a score occurred on the field — yard line from play-by-play.
LVLas Vegas Raiders
(:20) 2-D.Carlson 29 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
(12:35) 6-N.Folk 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(7:59) 6-N.Folk 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(:42) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right to 34-R.Burkhead for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(:09) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 87-F.Moreau for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on NE-70-A.Butler, Defensive Offside, declined.
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
(6:46) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 4th multi-TD game of his career.
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(1:31) 6-N.Folk 32 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(11:25) 2-D.Carlson 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
(5:24) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 1st 3 TD game of his career The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands.
(5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). The Replay Official reviewed the safety ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked at LV -1 for -7 yards (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). FUMBLES (90-S.Calhoun), RECOVERED by NE-91-D.Wise at LV -1. TOUCHDOWN.
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
(2:00) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 13-H.Renfrow for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
NENew England PatriotsFantasyHQ Analytics
Scoring timeline
Chronological scoring plays — scroll to follow the game.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q1 0:20FG Daniel CarlsonPoints+3
- Yard line
- NE 11
- Score
- 3-0
(:20) 2-D.Carlson 29 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
- NENew England Patriots
Q2 12:35FG Nick FolkPoints+3
- Yard line
- LV 15
- Score
- 3-3
(12:35) 6-N.Folk 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- NENew England Patriots
Q2 7:59FG Nick FolkPoints+3
- Yard line
- LV 5
- Score
- 3-6
(7:59) 6-N.Folk 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- NENew England Patriots
Q2 0:42TD RBR. BurkheadPoints+6
- Yard line
- LV 11
- Score
- 3-12
(:42) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right to 34-R.Burkhead for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
- NENew England Patriots
Q2 0:34XP Nick FolkPoints+1
- Yard line
- LV 15
- Score
- 3-13
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q2 0:09TD Foster MoreauPoints+6
- Yard line
- NE 1
- Score
- 9-13
(:09) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 87-F.Moreau for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on NE-70-A.Butler, Defensive Offside, declined.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q2 0:06XP Daniel CarlsonPoints+1
- Yard line
- NE 15
- Score
- 10-13
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
- NENew England Patriots
Q3 6:46TD RBR. BurkheadPoints+6
- Yard line
- LV 5
- Score
- 10-19
(6:46) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 4th multi-TD game of his career.
- NENew England Patriots
Q3 6:41XP Nick FolkPoints+1
- Yard line
- LV 15
- Score
- 10-20
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- NENew England Patriots
Q3 1:31FG Nick FolkPoints+3
- Yard line
- LV 14
- Score
- 10-23
(1:31) 6-N.Folk 32 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q4 11:25FG Daniel CarlsonPoints+3
- Yard line
- NE 7
- Score
- 13-23
(11:25) 2-D.Carlson 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
- NENew England Patriots
Q4 5:24TD RBR. BurkheadPoints+6
- Yard line
- LV 2
- Score
- 13-29
(5:24) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 1st 3 TD game of his career The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands.
- NENew England Patriots
Q4 5:13TD Derek CarrPoints+6
- Yard line
- NE 94
- Score
- 13-35
(5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). The Replay Official reviewed the safety ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked at LV -1 for -7 yards (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). FUMBLES (90-S.Calhoun), RECOVERED by NE-91-D.Wise at LV -1. TOUCHDOWN.
- NENew England Patriots
Q4 5:09XP Nick FolkPoints+1
- Yard line
- LV 15
- Score
- 13-36
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q4 2:00TD Hunter RenfrowPoints+6
- Yard line
- NE 13
- Score
- 19-36
(2:00) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 13-H.Renfrow for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
- LVLas Vegas Raiders
Q4 1:54XP Daniel CarlsonPoints+1
- Yard line
- NE 15
- Score
- 20-36
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
Stars of the game
Top performers by total expected points added (EPA).
- 1R. Burkhead · New England Patriots · Rushing · +6.76 total EPA · 6 snaps · +1.13 EPA/play
- 2Sony Michel · New England Patriots · Rushing · +5.20 total EPA · 9 snaps · +0.58 EPA/play
- 3Hunter Renfrow · Las Vegas Raiders · Receiving · +4.87 total EPA · 9 snaps · +0.54 EPA/play
- 4Foster Moreau · Las Vegas Raiders · Receiving · +3.57 total EPA · 2 snaps · +1.78 EPA/play
- 5
Bryan Edwards · Las Vegas Raiders · Receiving · +2.75 total EPA · 3 snaps · +0.92 EPA/play - 6D. Booker · Las Vegas Raiders · Rushing · +2.61 total EPA · 3 snaps · +0.87 EPA/play
- 7
Jawaan Taylor · New England Patriots · Rushing · +1.96 total EPA · 11 snaps · +0.18 EPA/play - 8
Zay Jones · Las Vegas Raiders · Receiving · +1.73 total EPA · 3 snaps · +0.58 EPA/play
FantasyHQ Game MVP
Highest total EPA with the player's top snap and the game's biggest single play when different.
FantasyHQ Game MVP
R. Burkhead — NE · Rushing
R. Burkhead posted the highest total EPA (+6.76) in the game, the strongest overall impact for New England Patriots. Across 6 counted snaps, they averaged +1.13 EPA per play.
R. Burkhead's top snap (-5.10 EPA): (2:08) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right intended for 34-R.Burkhead INTERCEPTED by 24-J.Abram at NE 38. 24-J.Abram to NE 14 for 24 yards (69-S.Mason).
Biggest single play (-6.89 EPA): Derek Carr — (5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). The Replay Official reviewed the safety ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-D.C
Quarterback report card
Derek Carr led all passers in efficiency for Las Vegas Raiders, setting the tone in the passing game according to FantasyHQ analytics.
- Derek Carr (Las Vegas Raiders) · 39 dropbacks · 61.5% completion · +9.9% CPOE · -0.00 EPA/play · -0.03 total EPA
- C. Newton (New England Patriots) · 32 dropbacks · 53.1% completion · -7.7% CPOE · -0.06 EPA/play · -1.83 total EPA
Team stats comparison
Side-by-side offensive and defensive efficiency.
| Stat | Las Vegas Raiders | New England Patriots |
|---|---|---|
| Offensive EPA/play | -0.098 | +0.138 |
| Offensive success rate | 46.8% | 49.4% |
| Pass EPA/play | -0.001 | -0.057 |
| Rush EPA/play | -0.106 | +0.346 |
| Defensive EPA/play | -0.138 | +0.098 |
| Defensive success rate | 50.6% | 53.2% |
Drive & efficiency notes
New England Patriots held the efficiency edge in offensive EPA per play (+0.14 vs -0.10), even if the scoreboard told a different story.
Season benchmark context (offensive EPA per play):
- Las Vegas Raiders: -0.10 EPA/play (21st percentile vs. 2020 team-game averages)
- New England Patriots: +0.14 EPA/play (76th percentile vs. 2020 team-game averages)
- Las Vegas Raiders: 11 drives, -7.58 total EPA, 5 scoring drives
- New England Patriots: 12 drives, +11.75 total EPA, 6 scoring drives
Who scored touchdowns and field goals
Every touchdown and field goal from official play-by-play.
Touchdowns
- New England Patriots — R. Burkhead (C. Newton pass)
- Las Vegas Raiders — Foster Moreau (Derek Carr pass)
- New England Patriots — R. Burkhead
- New England Patriots — R. Burkhead
- New England Patriots — Derek Carr
- Las Vegas Raiders — Hunter Renfrow (Derek Carr pass)
Field goals
- Las Vegas Raiders — Daniel Carlson
- New England Patriots — Nick Folk
- New England Patriots — Nick Folk
- New England Patriots — Nick Folk
- Las Vegas Raiders — Daniel Carlson
Quarter by quarter
Quarter-by-quarter recap from live scoring plays.
The opening quarter: Las Vegas Raiders won the period 3–0. Las Vegas Raiders connected on a field goal from the NE 11 (Q1 0:20) — (:20) 2-D.Carlson 29 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole..
The second quarter: New England Patriots won the period 13–7. New England Patriots connected on a field goal from the LV 15 (Q2 12:35) — (12:35) 6-N.Folk 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.; New England Patriots connected on a field goal from the LV 5 (Q2 7:59) — (7:59) 6-N.Folk 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.; New England Patriots found the end zone from the LV 11 (Q2 0:42) — (:42) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right to 34-R.Burkhead for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; New England Patriots added 1 points from the LV 15 (Q2 0:34) — 6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.; Las Vegas Raiders found the end zone from the NE 1 (Q2 0:09) — (:09) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 87-F.Moreau for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on NE-70-A.Butler, Defensive Offside, declined.; Las Vegas Raiders added 1 points from the NE 15 (Q2 0:06) — 2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole..
The third quarter: New England Patriots won the period 10–0. New England Patriots found the end zone from the LV 5 (Q3 6:46) — (6:46) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 4th multi-TD game of his career.; New England Patriots added 1 points from the LV 15 (Q3 6:41) — 6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.; New England Patriots connected on a field goal from the LV 14 (Q3 1:31) — (1:31) 6-N.Folk 32 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey..
The fourth quarter: New England Patriots won the period 13–10. Las Vegas Raiders connected on a field goal from the NE 7 (Q4 11:25) — (11:25) 2-D.Carlson 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.; New England Patriots found the end zone from the LV 2 (Q4 5:24); New England Patriots found the end zone from the NE 94 (Q4 5:13); New England Patriots added 1 points from the LV 15 (Q4 5:09) — 6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey.; Las Vegas Raiders found the end zone from the NE 13 (Q4 2:00) — (2:00) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 13-H.Renfrow for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.; Las Vegas Raiders added 1 points from the NE 15 (Q4 1:54) — 2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole..
Turning points
Plays that moved win probability the most.
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q1 3:20) — (3:20) (Shotgun) 28-J.Jacobs left tackle to NE 13 for -1 yards (90-S.Calhoun). FUMBLES (90-S.Calhoun), RECOVERED by NE-27-J.Jackson at NE 13.
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q3 10:48) — (10:48) 2-D.Carlson 41 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
- New England Patriots (Q1 2:08) — (2:08) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right intended for 34-R.Burkhead INTERCEPTED by 24-J.Abram at NE 38. 24-J.Abram to NE 14 for 24 yards (69-S.Mason).
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q3 12:58) — (12:58) 4-D.Carr pass deep middle to 89-B.Edwards to NE 26 for 34 yards (30-J.McCourty).
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q2 12:10) — (12:10) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked at LV 40 for -8 yards (50-C.Winovich). FUMBLES (50-C.Winovich) [50-C.Winovich], RECOVERED by NE-93-L.Guy at LV 42. 93-L.Guy to LV 42 for no gain (66-G.Jack
Impact plays
Highest EPA snaps that flipped field position.
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q4 5:13) — (5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). The Replay Official reviewed the safety ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-D.C
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q2 12:10) — (12:10) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked at LV 40 for -8 yards (50-C.Winovich). FUMBLES (50-C.Winovich) [50-C.Winovich], RECOVERED by NE-93-L.Guy at LV 42. 93-L.Guy to LV 42 for no gain (66-G.Jack
- Las Vegas Raiders (Q1 3:20) — (3:20) (Shotgun) 28-J.Jacobs left tackle to NE 13 for -1 yards (90-S.Calhoun). FUMBLES (90-S.Calhoun), RECOVERED by NE-27-J.Jackson at NE 13.
- New England Patriots (Q1 2:08) — (2:08) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right intended for 34-R.Burkhead INTERCEPTED by 24-J.Abram at NE 38. 24-J.Abram to NE 14 for 24 yards (69-S.Mason).
Every scoring play
Chronological scoring with play-by-play context.
- Las Vegas Raiders FG (+3) — Q1 0:20 · NE 11 · Score 3-0
(:20) 2-D.Carlson 29 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole. - New England Patriots FG (+3) — Q2 12:35 · LV 15 · Score 3-3
(12:35) 6-N.Folk 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - New England Patriots FG (+3) — Q2 7:59 · LV 5 · Score 3-6
(7:59) 6-N.Folk 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - New England Patriots TD (+6) — Q2 0:42 · LV 11 · Score 3-12
(:42) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right to 34-R.Burkhead for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN. - New England Patriots XP (+1) — Q2 0:34 · LV 15 · Score 3-13
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - Las Vegas Raiders TD (+6) — Q2 0:09 · NE 1 · Score 9-13
(:09) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 87-F.Moreau for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on NE-70-A.Butler, Defensive Offside, declined. - Las Vegas Raiders XP (+1) — Q2 0:06 · NE 15 · Score 10-13
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole. - New England Patriots TD (+6) — Q3 6:46 · LV 5 · Score 10-19
(6:46) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 4th multi-TD game of his career. - New England Patriots XP (+1) — Q3 6:41 · LV 15 · Score 10-20
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - New England Patriots FG (+3) — Q3 1:31 · LV 14 · Score 10-23
(1:31) 6-N.Folk 32 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - Las Vegas Raiders FG (+3) — Q4 11:25 · NE 7 · Score 13-23
(11:25) 2-D.Carlson 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole. - New England Patriots TD (+6) — Q4 5:24 · LV 2 · Score 13-29
(5:24) (No Huddle) 34-R.Burkhead left guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 34-Burkhead 1st 3 TD game of his career The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld. - New England Patriots TD (+6) — Q4 5:13 · NE 94 · Score 13-35
(5:13) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr sacked in End Zone for -6 yards, SAFETY (sack split by 90-S.Calhoun and 91-D.Wise). The Replay Official reviewed the safety ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-D.C - New England Patriots XP (+1) — Q4 5:09 · LV 15 · Score 13-36
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-49-J.Cardona, Holder-7-J.Bailey. - Las Vegas Raiders TD (+6) — Q4 2:00 · NE 13 · Score 19-36
(2:00) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short left to 13-H.Renfrow for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN. - Las Vegas Raiders XP (+1) — Q4 1:54 · NE 15 · Score 20-36
2-D.Carlson extra point is GOOD, Center-47-T.Sieg, Holder-6-A.Cole.
Key takeaways
What to remember for fantasy research and follow-up box score digging.
- New England Patriots earned the result — use the box score for snap-level context.
- R. Burkhead (New England Patriots) led total EPA — start here for highlight and prop research.
- Derek Carr (LV) finished above expected through the air (positive CPOE).
- C. Newton (NE) finished below expected efficiency despite volume.
Frequently asked questions
Who won Las Vegas Raiders vs New England Patriots on 2020-09-27?
The New England Patriots beat the Las Vegas Raiders 36-20 in Week 3, 2020.
What was the score by quarter in Las Vegas Raiders vs New England Patriots?
Q1: Las Vegas Raiders 3, New England Patriots 0; Q2: Las Vegas Raiders 7, New England Patriots 13; Q3: Las Vegas Raiders 0, New England Patriots 10; Q4: Las Vegas Raiders 10, New England Patriots 13; Final: Las Vegas Raiders 20, New England Patriots 36.
Who scored touchdowns and field goals in Las Vegas Raiders vs New England Patriots?
New England Patriots touchdown — R. Burkhead (C. Newton pass) (Q2 0:42) Las Vegas Raiders touchdown — F. Moreau (D. Carr pass) (Q2 0:09) New England Patriots touchdown — R. Burkhead (Q3 6:46) New England Patriots touchdown — R. Burkhead (Q4 5:24) New England Patriots touchdown — D. Carr (Q4 5:13) Las Vegas Raiders touchdown — H. Renfrow (D. Carr pass) (Q4 2:00) Las Vegas Raiders field goal — D. Carlson (Q1 0:20, 3 pts) New England Patriots field goal — N. Folk (Q2 12:35, 3 pts) New England Patriots field goal — N. Folk (Q2 7:59, 3 pts) New England Patriots field goal — N. Folk (Q3 1:31, 3 pts) Las Vegas Raiders field goal — D. Carlson (Q4 11:25, 3 pts) Extra points followed each touchdown unless noted in the play-by-play.
How did the quarterbacks play in Las Vegas Raiders vs New England Patriots?
Derek Carr (Las Vegas Raiders), 61.5% completion, +9.9% CPOE, -0.00 EPA per dropback, -0.03 total passing EPA. C. Newton (New England Patriots), 53.1% completion, -7.7% CPOE, -0.06 EPA per dropback, -1.83 total passing EPA.
Who was FantasyHQ's player of the game in Las Vegas Raiders vs New England Patriots?
R. Burkhead (New England Patriots) was FantasyHQ's Game MVP with +6.76 total EPA on Rushing plays. across 6 snaps. Their top snap (-5.10 EPA): (2:08) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass short right intended for 34-R.Burkhead INTERCEPTED by 24-J.Abram at NE 38. 24-J.Abram to NE 14 for 24 yards (69-S.Mason)..
Season records after this game
Las Vegas Raiders
Entered 2-0 Now 2-1 L
New England Patriots
Entered 1-1 Now 2-1 W
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